3 Reasons I Deleted My Triberr Account

by Extreme John on August 16, 2011  3,777 views

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I recently wrote about Triberr in an article titled, “Triberr: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” in which I outlined a few good things about Triberr and followed it up with a few things about Triberr that weren’t all that sexy to me. At the time I decided to keep pushing forward with Triberr, and tried to put some of the Triberr tips that were left in the comments to use.

I’m not going to get in to the how to’s and what is Triberr in this post, if you would like a better idea of what Triberr is about and how it works, check out Mavis Nong’s article, “Triberr – Do You Really Know What it Is and How it Works?” In Mavis’ article you’ll see she has a very different opinion in regards to Triberr than I do.

Why I Stopped Using Triberr

As I mentioned above I continued to move forward with Triberr, and that lasted until last week when I decided to pack up my Triberr goods and head out the door. Here’s why I deleted my Triberr account.

Poor Customer Service

After reading my examples of the customer service I’ve encountered while being a Triberr member I’m sure you’ll see why I have a hard time agreeing with those that say Triberr’s service is great. It’s important to note that upon signing up with Triberr I immediately purchased “Bones”, a form of Triberr currency. I believe I paid $35, which in my book makes me a paying customer.

Example 1

I’ve seen a lot of rave online about how quickly Dino and Dan respond to feedback on blogs in my reader, all though my personal experience is much different. My first example would be how quickly Dino and Dan jumped on to comment in my good, bad, ugly post. I thought that was great and they both addressed specific points that I brought up, I responded to each of their responses, especially since Dino was curious as to what my response would be. Neither party returned to that post or responded to my comments.

Example 2

Seeking customer service and not getting it is one thing, being falsely accused of something is another thing, when a business accuses a paying customer of something without doing their homework it’s a major fail. I intended to write a post based on this one email alone and feature it in my email bag series, but never got around to it. With the recent developments in regards to Triberr and this post there’s no better time than now to address it.

Here’s a look at an email I received from Dino Dogan on June 29th.

Triberr Tribal Matter

Since it was VERY clear to me that Dino didn’t do any homework in regards to this matter I had a lengthy response that proved how unfounded the “tribes” claims were and how I felt about him assuming anything in regards to this. Here’s a few snippets from my response to Dino.

Response Snippet

Facts I included:

Triberr Message Facts

Dino responded with:

Dino Dogan Response

I even went as far as to tell Dino that I was seriously considering leaving Triberr , Dino never responded. Here’s what I said.

Leaving Triberr

I can’t help but think there’s a much better way of going about these things, and I honestly can’t imagine taking this stance when the premise of the entire system was built around “automagically” tweeting updates through people’s feeds.

Example 3

I would imagine that Triberr would have a good idea of what users are free users and which users are paying customers. Where I’m from and in my small business EVERY customer matters, regardless if it’s a customer that’s taking advantage of free tanning or a VIP Club member. EVERY customer matters, and losing a customer is NEVER acceptable. I forget sometimes that not every business operates with that same creed in mind, and that’s understandable as every business is different. I do however have a different feeling when it comes to dismissing a customer, dismissing an existing or previous customer in any business is a bad move. When I tweeted that I was leaving Triberr here is the series of tweets that took place between Dino Dogan and myself.

Deleted Triberr Account

Dino’s reply to my tweet:

Triberr Customer Dismissed

If that’s not dismissing vs fixing I don’t know what is. I don’t run Triberr, I’m not the founder and I have no idea what their ultimate goal is, but I do know that if I were in the Triberr drivers seat I would try to see if the issue can be resolved, and certainly never dismiss any customer. What made this response more of a shock to me was the fact that Dino personally invited me to Triberr not once, but twice (I didn’t do anything when I received my first invite).

Questionable Bugs

I’m no rookie when it comes to the internet and web development. I’ve been at it on the web for well over a decade now with experience in everything web development related. I’m not one of those types to refer to myself as a guru, I’m just one of those guys that knows enough to get by. I understand that bugs happen when making changes and I fully understand that they don’t always take two seconds to fix.

Earlier in this post I mentioned that I didn’t do anything when I received my first Triberr invite, the reason behind that was due to the fact that at the time Triberr only offered a “auto-mode” which meant that everyone in your Tribes articles would automatically, or as Dino puts it “automagically” be tweeted through your twitter feed. If you’ve followed me on Twitter @extremejohn or read my blog for any length of time you probably know that I don’t do “auto” anything. I want to see everything that’s going to my Twitter feed BEFORE it gets there, I read every article I retweet and I don’t retweet things I don’t read. Everyone has their own personal Twitter policy, that’s mine.

Acting on feedback from the blogging community Triberr added a “manual mode”. That’s when I went on the hunt for a Triberr invite, @Dino_Dogan was nice enough to send me one. The minute I signed up to Triberr I updated my info and set the two Tribes I was in to “manual mode”. This worked out great for me, I found a few new blogs to subscribe to and met a couple of bloggers I didn’t know before and most importantly I controlled what was retweeted through my account.

Sometime last week Triberr added a new feature that allowed users to set individual users in their Tribes to either manual or automatic mode. There was a handy little message at the top of the screen when I logged in informing me of the changes. After reading some of the comments I realized that I better check my settings, it seems there’s a small bug that sets “random” Triberr members to auto mode even if you had manual mode settings. I quickly went through my Tribes on Wednesday and to my surprise my manual settings did not carry over for all users, random Tribe members were set to automatic mode without me knowing it. I figured, no biggie, a quick bug, I reset and re-verified that all users were set to manual mode including each individual tribe. When I looked at my Twitter feed on Thursday I realized a bunch of tweets that I never approved were sent through my feed. To say it pissed me off is putting it lightly.

I logged back in to my Triberr account to see what was going on. I was pretty surprised to see that the same exact Tribe members I set to manual mode on two previous occasions were set back to atuo. Up until this point I’ve been more than patient with Triberr, bugs, and customer service issues. In one last attempt to get a real answer or resolution to this situation I tweeted Dino back after receiving my dismissal above. Here’s what I said along with Dino’s response.

Triberr Broken Eggs

Sorry Dino, but the first thing to come off of your finger tips should have been an apology for the inconvenience. The second move should have been to address my concern, not tell me about how long a feature has been in development and certainly not to dismiss the issue as a few broken eggs. It’s hard to sell me on a feature that’s malfunctioning and flat out ignoring my settings.

As you can see I’m not the only one that noticed this issue.

Triberr Bug

Notice the time stamp, 12 hours ago. This means that the issues with Triberr going “automagic” on certain users still exists as I write this post, it’s now Monday night at 9pm which means it’s gone on since at least Wednesday. I wonder how many other users never even notice it. Hmmmm…

Lack of ROI

Based on the two tribes that I was part of during my time with Triberr I believe my reach was extended to something like 65,000 users, about 10x more then my reach would be if I didn’t use Triberr. One thing that didn’t increase with that reach was actual traffic, even with retweets of my articles going out on others Twitter streams and a massive extended reach the return wasn’t anywhere near 10x as the reach would suggest. As a matter of fact there was no noticeable change in my Google Analytics, nor did I see any of the Triberr url shorteners as referrals.

Last but certainly not least is the fact that I personally like to think that tools for social media and bloggers should increase networking. I think the entire number of tribe members that actually interacted and still do till this day is all of about three, hardly a staggering number considering the extended reach.

In addition to lacking any real social networking value and hardly offering any significant traffic, I really never benefited from purchasing the Bones I picked up when I first joined Triberr. I’m sure that other bloggers have all kinds of success stories with Bones and Inbreeding, I personally never got anywhere with them.

Parting Shots

Those of you that read my blog on a daily basis know that I tend to tell it how I see it, sometimes this can come across harsh as much as that might not be the intention. Hopefully Dino Dogan and Dan continue to work diligently on Triberr to improve it’s features and functionality. I also hope that in the future they take a different position when making changes that directly effect their users, and lastly I hope they consider the importance of keeping paying customers vs questioning their ways and wishing them luck when they walk out the door for good reason.

If the Triberr crew can resolve a few of the issues I mentioned and they’ll have me back I’ll consider giving it another run. If not, I’m ok without Triberr and I’m sure Triberr will be just fine without me.

You’re Up

I’m sure there will be plenty of Triberr supporters that want to show their support for Triberr and share all of their success stories, there might even be a few of you that share the same views about Triberr as I do. Here’s your chance to let it fly, leave a comment and share your thoughts.

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Andrew Walker

Oh wow.. I never knew that the service was that bad. Thanks for sharing this with us!
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Extreme John
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Hi Andrew, thanks for taking the time to comment. It’s important to remember that this is solely based on my personal experience with Triberr, I’m sure there are plenty of others that have great things to say about Triberr’s service.

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Colleen Stout

Totally agree, and since deleting my Triberr account I’ve actually seen interaction from Twitter improve. I really think Triberr just turns most people off.
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Extreme John
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I’ve seen zero drop in my Twitter interaction after deleting my Triberr account, probably in the same fashion it never increased when I started using Triberr. You might have a good point Colleen. Thank you for taking the time to comment I appreciate it.
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reeha from cheap desinger handbags

I never used tribber because one of my friend told me that their service are too bad and if you starts using it, it would become headache for you so try to avoid that tool.

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Extreme John
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Interesting feedback, thank you Reeha for taking the time to comment.
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Jill Tooley
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John, you’ve addressed some excellent points in this post. Triberr is a novel service that could really do a lot of good if used correctly, but that’s exactly the issue. It still needs some work!

I started using Triberr a few months ago, and here’s the first issue I’ve found: the gained traffic and engagement hinges upon the other members in the tribe. And by that I mean – it won’t do one bit of good to be on Triberr if your blog topics don’t mesh well enough with other members’ blog topics. This, to me, is a shame because it’s kind of a waste to target ONLY audiences within one field. I read a diverse spread of blogs and vary my information sources in order to expand my knowledge, and I don’t see the harm in having an “off-topic” post thrown in once in a while. But unfortunately, many Triberr members won’t even give your post a second glance if it isn’t an exact fit to the type of posts they’re already publishing.

Second, as you mentioned, the actual ROI of Triberr is questionable. Sure, an extended audience of 65,000 sounds amazing, but how many of those people care one iota about what you’re publishing? And how many of them are just shell accounts in the first place?

Third, the auto/manual modes can work for you and against you. No one wants to just automatically tweet posts without screening them first (which is totally understandable) and it’s tough to make everyone happy because different people publish at different frequencies. For example, we recently upped our blog efforts to two posts a day and it seems as if that’s considered “spammy” by some users. Even though all of our posts are on-target with marketing, promotional efforts, and business topics, our sheer frequency alone is enough to turn people off. So, not only do you have to find an exact member match for the posts’ topic relevancy but you also have to find an exact member match for the posts’ frequency. That’s a lot of factors!

I can’t speak for the customer service because I’ve never had any reason to contact Dino or Dan for an extensive issue, but they’ve both been extremely pleasant when I’ve reached out to say hello or to thank them for adding a feature. However, I do agree that more could have been done to directly address your concerns about Triberr and possibly “salvage” the business relationship. Like you, I strongly believe that every customer matters and I’m not going to just let a disillusioned client slip away without trying my damndest to remedy the situation.

All in all, I think Triberr is beneficial but there are several things I’d suggest for future development. Specifically, I’d love to see a feature that allows existing Triberr users to connect with bloggers who are interested in using the service. This may help facilitate outreach efforts and better target the desired audience for shared-interest blog posts.

Believe it or not I have more to say on the subject, but the rest I’ll have to save for another time. Sorry, I seem to have written you an entire blog post as a reply to your post! ;)
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Extreme John
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Hi Jill and thank you for writing an entire blog post as your reply to my blog post. I think you should copy it and make it a post on your blog (which I just subscribed to), you touch on a few of the many factors that I really didn’t even touch. I, much like you read articles on many different subjects, ranging from small business and social media marketing to sports, luxury homes, ridiculous investments, startups and of course blogging. I retweet everything I read and find useful, I like to think my followers appreciate that. On the other hand I have no problem retweeting an article about bulldogs or a picture of a dog, but there’s a good chance you won’t see me retweet pictures of cats and other people’s kids. I don’t care for cats and I would imagine most of my followers would find it odd that I’m tweeting someone els’es kids when I don’t tweet pictures of my own.

Triberr is a solid concept, it has a few holes that can be repaired easily through time programmatically. However, I feel that if Triberr intends to get that big VC money they better start having a little more compassion for their customers when they break things and act with a little more caution when addressing issues with customers.

Thank you again Jill for taking the time to leave a killer comment and share your feedback, it’s definitely appreciated.

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Jill Tooley
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I just may do that! I appreciate the idea. And for the record, I always enjoy the crap out of your tweets, so your process is A-OK in my book.

You’re most welcome for the comment. You’re one of my favorite bloggers to engage with! I wish I had the time to comment on all of your posts.

Thank you for subscribing to the blog! That means a lot to me. One of these days, I swear I’ll have another guest post for you! It’s been WAY too long. :)
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Extreme John
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Thank you for the kind words Jill I appreciate it, and in regards to another guest post I’m going to hold you to it :)
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Tom Drake from Canadian Finance Blog
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I might quit Triberr too, not just for the bugs, but also because I’ve tweeting everything from posts titled “Test” to Tecnorati validation posts. So not Triberr’s fault, but I don’t want to be embarrassed by careless feeds.
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Extreme John
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Yeah that stuff wouldn’t fly very long for me either Tom. How long have you been using Triberr for? Have you had better results in regards to traffic and interaction vs my experience?
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Tom Drake from Canadian Finance Blog
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It’s been awhile, I think near the beginning. I’m just in a small tribe though, part of the benefit was that I have daily posts and others didn’t, so I was getting more tweets than I’ve been sending out.

But when it comes to interaction, there hasn’t been a lot. I think people’s manual RTs of my tweets get more response.
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Extreme John
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I kind of felt that way in regards to the manual re-retweets from others as well.
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James from Bodybuilding Tips
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Hi John, I hadn’t heard of Triberr until I read your article Triberr: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. But since reading this post I think I am certainly going to stay clear. Thanks for the heads up.
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Extreme John
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Hi James and as always thanks for getting involved in the conversation. I wouldn’t suggest going off of my experience, I’m sure there’s plenty of Triberr success stories to be told out there.
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DiTesco
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Can’t say that I agree or disagree. I also have a Triberr account, and no pun intended, I never figured out how the damn thing works. So much so that I simply do not use it. Now based on what you are saying, I think that in a way, perhaps Dino wanted to take the stance of an online “buddy” rather than addressing the issue from a business standpoint. Sorry to hear that your experience was not good and do hope that they (the tribber’s chiefs) take this as a positive and constructive “protest”. At least that’s how I see it.

Anyway, I am heading over my account now and see how things are set up. I really do not have a clue :)
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Extreme John
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Haha yeah Di, I would def check those Triberr settings. There’s a good chance you might be right in regards to Dino’s approach to the situation, I think I would have to be much closer to someone to approach things in that “friend” manor. Everyone is different.

Thanks as always for commenting and I appreciate the retweet!
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Jens P. Berget
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Hi John,

What a brilliant post. I am still using Triberr, and I like it. But, I have been thinking about the real value lately. I get a lot of retweets, but I have to retweet a lot to get them (and it’s all on autopilot). I feel like I’m not in control (I might be, but it doesn’t feel like I am), and the people that are in my tribes, I hardly ever do any conversations with them anymore, because Triberr takes care of me. I know that this sounds like a silly thing, but when something is automated, it gets less personal, and I sort of forget the human part of the communication.

Thanks a lot for sharing. This was a really great post.

Jens
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Extreme John
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Hey Jens thanks as always for getting involved in the conversation, and of course for the kind words.

I can see that being a Triberr trait, if it’s automated why bother with it. I prefer the social side of social media, so interaction with my followers on Twitter is important to me.
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Dino Dogan

Hi John,

Like many things in life, not everything is for everyone.

I’m sorry I didnt meet your expectations. I still appreciate you giving it a go and I value your feedback.

Triberr is Dan and I, and it’s just two of us handling a community thousands of bloggers and ..lets not mince words here…we’re doing something thats never been done before. We’re making mistakes and doing our best to correct them along the way.

The tolerance for BETA apps is different for different people. And I firmly believe that if someone is not comfortable with occasional snafu, they shouldn’t be using Triberr at this time.

God speed my friend. I think you’re one of the real ones and I will always be a fan and there is nothing you can do about that :-)
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Kimberly Castleberry
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Phooey, John, I just lost a long extended reply to accidentally clicking a link. I have some thoughts on both sides of this coin to share but maybe I should do it when I’m not so click happy!
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Extreme John
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Eeeek Kim, oh no! I had that happen today on Barry Wells site, and last night I slipped and deleted the entire bottom half of this post and had to rewrite it. Good times.

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Dan Cristo

Hey John,
You gave it a fair go and you weren’t happy with how it worked for you. That’s fair. I couldn’t ask for a more fair review.

We do what we can. I mean, we are two guys that sell bones for a living. lol.

Well, technically we have full time jobs and families outside of Triberr, but still, my point is that it’s just two of us working like crazy to satisfy a lot of people who use the tool differently.

We built it for us, and we love it. If the friends we invited want to invite others, and they want to invite others, that’s cool with us. We’ll do whatever we can to make the site work for them, but no promises that we’ll make every member 100% happy.

Still a fan of your stuff. Hope you’ll give us a shot again down the road once the tool evolves a bit more.
Dan
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Extreme John
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I look forward to seeing how it evolves and who knows, maybe some day I’ll be writing something completely different and enjoying the things that Triberr might offer at the time.

As a small business owner and someone who’s been involved with developing web apps (and currently) I understand and appreciate the challenges that you guys face with balancing other things and trying to grow Triberr.
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Nasif

Triberr made my life more robotic and lazy !

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Extreme John
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Robotic and lazy huh?
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Ileane
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Hi John, from the beginning I never saw the point of Triberr for my own personal use so I didn’t get into all the nitty-gritty details about how it worked. There are about 10 of my close blogging collaborators who have my blog on Twitterfeed or Dlvr.it so what more do I need at this point? The other thing is – the name Triberr is a turn off for me and when I found out they had “chiefs” I could not believe my ears. Maybe I’m too sensitive but I got my reasons for being that way.

I’m sure many people are happy with the service and get some benefit out of it, but to be honest, when I;m in HootSuite and see a tweet coming from there, I make a point not to click the links because….oh well, I think you’ve said enough.

Thanks for letting me know about the other side of the coin.
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Ivin from become an expert
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Hello John. I asked for a couple invites from tribe members, on
Twitter and even Dino himself whehn it started ourt. I have to agree with Ileane. It seemed to me that Triberr was and still is a ‘exclusive’ little club. Back then I was still small and unknown, and no matter how much success I achieve in the future, I have a policy I carry into all my business ventures; and that is if you weren’t willing to support or work with me when I was small I sure as hell won’t be interested in working with you as my business expand or grow larger.

And those include Chow, Yaro, Gideon and all their ‘tribes’. What do you think of that business creed?
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Dan Cristo

Hey Ivin,
I’m sorry you didn’t get an invite early on. One of the less user friendly aspects of the system is the invite process. If someone applies to your tribe, you get an email, that’s it. If you don’t act right away and accept/decline the request it just sits in your inbox and slips out of mind. We need to do better with reminding people that they still have pending requests to respond to.

As a whole its very easy to get into a tribe if you know someone in the tribe. It’s similar to getting hired for a job. You can submit applications online all day, but if you know someone in the company getting an interview is a piece of cake.

It’s certainly not a perfect system, and we’re trying to improve it. I just wanted to let you know that it’s not you, and it’s not members trying to be exclusive. It’s just that the application system kind of sucks right now, but it’ll be way better in the near future.
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Ivin
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Hello Dan. I really would have liked to be part of a tribe. But as with any other thing, when I get rejected, I build my own. Well, not as advanced as your systems for sure, but a collaborators group where we have the same interests and we are growing well.

I have recently become pretty good blog buddies with most people in the original Dino Tribe, like Ana Hofman etc. I know about the email story, but I honestly didn’t receive one. I would remember.

I know full well the power of synergy and am trying to get that going with the ten contributors on my blog. Triberr was a launch project back then and I wasn’t one of the cool kids yet, and too small I’m afraid. But it made me grow, stronger and a better blogger.

Thanks for commenting.
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Kimberly Castleberry
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Hey John, lets try this whole post thing again (and stay away from stray link clicking!)

I’m not really sure how to phrase this in a way that’s politically correct so I’m probably going to step on toes unintentionally. However, there seems to be a “gap” in how you are approaching who “Triberr” (as an entity or item) is relative to who I think it more likely is.

The review you’ve wrote here is spot on for someone looking to deal with an “actual” company that intends to support business clients or professional clients and has the intention of moving into the bigger world of grown up businesses and venture capital. This is the world you’re from John and this review reveals that – and is fully appropriate for your audiences that are from that world as well.

Yet, to me, Triberr was a bedroom hobby coding project, designed to meet the needs of a few friends, and has grown out from there with no interest or intent of focusing on the VC world. To me the money is about covering the sites overhead and soaking up a smidge of the hours required to run it but certainly does not generate a profit (and really doesn’t appear positioned strongly enough to imply that’s its aim). To me when I look at paying for bones I see it as tossing some cash at a friend and to get something to work with. I’m contributing to something I enjoy – almost mentally from a donation sense – more than becoming a “paying customer” although your view of it as that is fully.

Could Triberr be moved the direction of the VC world? Sure.. but only with a lot of shifts, as you indicated, that I’m just honestly not feeling are priority for them. Not that they don’t strive for customer service, but that their hearts are still highly married to the personal enjoyment of the platform rather than wanting to go down the hard road.

When held to “standards of higher excellence” I admit that they fully fail to many of the objectives you’ve (rightfully) detailed above and this is the reason that they are not exactly a great fit for a true biz blogger (who I identify differently than a blogger trying to make some cash, and I’m sure you understand what I’m saying).

I think the platform honestly works for the people it was designed for – those looking to automate a section of auto syndication and willing to form up a tribe of like minded ones. The platform was designed for the average blogger with “fringe case” usage on both sides of the spectrum of fully hobby bloggers to biz bloggers.

Yet these fringe usage cases I do not believe are Triberrs target and that should, I think, explain some of why Triberr is where it is today.

Kim
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Jeff Duff

Sounds like what Triberr needs is a PR rep. I was going to activity seek an invite to see what the site is all about, but maybe I’ll hold off until they are out of beta.

Cheers for the post!

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Keith from Wilmington Jet Ski Rentals
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I also left Triberr a while back, my reasons were that I was changing my way of “socializing” online and removed anything and everything that was “automated”. I think the manual mode was added after I left, but even so I just don’t have the time to go through a tribe of feeds to see if I wan them in my stream or not.

I like both Dan and Dino, and I am sure they will succeed….Triberr just wasn’t for me. Neither is Buffer or other automated services though. I can see it being used in moderation for business use, but I am a person….

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